Meat Inspectors Forum

I am quite happy to start posting again, but let`s see some evidence of life!!

we cant afford to be optimisic about food safety

Which is not to far away Snowy  

Hi Craigy Boy

Nice to see you back online.

"wonder if our export countries know of this risk based for there public?"

Australia has gone even further & "watered" down their own export  inspections to the EU

By allowing FBO operatives to do all the "legal" incisions, while one lone inspector stands on the end of the line to stamp it up.

God knows what else they have cut out before it gets to the "legal" inspector.

This is only done for export meat, not for meat produced for their own people.

Says it all, doesn't it

Some of us do still work in Poultry Plant's i am a DMHI but i work with Pmi's so please have a bit mor of a positive attitude for now!

i think snowy seniors are and will look after themselves,they or majority of them go to there them only meetings and i dont think tell us half of what was really discussed,i have again only heard through the grapevine that if some get to lose there senior roles positions will be provided for them but if it was us redundancy is our future!bit unfair if you ask me they were quick enough to take positions and be our so called leaders so should be the same if job no longer needed will be a bit of friction i think if some came back on line after way some of them acted a bit maybe above the call of duty in my eyes?to many yes men in positions now i am afraid but like i have always maintained far far to many chiefs and not enough of us poor indians,rhodes,styler,ogle,6bms,povs to numerous to count,ovs,seniors,hr dept,hardly one bit of meat inspection amongst them says it all does it not well i will say it loud and clear for us all that is the problem no meat trade experiance andthey are all getting there tuppence worth in not knowing damage its causing and those above are letting them get awat with it because they are even less knowledgeable about the meat trade.i think it would be far far more sensible if inspectors were involved in a hell of a lot of the decisions making process after all we are the ones working with the utterly crazy policies they make,would tim smith maybe end up with egg on his face when frontline inspectors prove to be better in many aspects of running the meat hygiene side of the fsa than what he has at his disposal at present?its supposed to be run as a buisness so all of the people i mentioned earlier,are they really needed?the salaries they get are they justified? expenses they get?car allowances?some buisness sense in this day and age?we have experiance,knowledge and they ignore or sorry dont want any imput from us scandalous when you think we are suppose to be part of an organisation that protects public health and the ones in charge do not even have any qualifications in  public heath 

well snowy your right new posts created,why?seniors now managers of regions,more money wasted!!new seniors put in there place 80% on line 20% paper work!              god this shower (fsa) you could'nt write this script,they are now investgating how much" nidt" codes inspectors are putting in for buisness reasons, my arse, this is for agency to take our jobs as cheaper options so where is unison on this its not our fault some plants finish earlier than others?              just a daft thought here when all these managerial staff work from home or offices where is all the agency staff to do there jobs cheaper come on folks it cant just be us in the cost cutting frame all the time can it?

is it just you and i snowy in this forum with anything to say or share?well my hate is all these non meat background people involved in decision making that affects our day to day duties is totally wrong!!!from povs's bm's vets higher management all wrong (quango springs to mind)i personnally think if we had a lot more imput on how inspection was run it would work big style and save paying all these absurd salaries to clueless people who dont live in the real world must be ran as a business yes but not the way they are doing it, mhs all over again,you run it with a greater imput from the staff on the frontline day in day out not behind an office desk who are listening to people who like i have said are clueless because it sounds good doesnt mean to say it will work i do like the job and it astonishes me the amount of commitees,meetings,departments,agenda's  positions they make up,managers,operation teams,and its still not working the way it should,remember snowy "to many cooks spoil the broth"and if this shower is not an example off that i dont know what is,one last thing see that yammer have you read some of things on that well it opens your eyes into fsa office staff are we really in same organisation?

oldewe here is my reply,future for us looks bleak,management dont create the absurd amount of senseless positions for no reason self regulation is there choosen route.fbo would luv it after all they are doing our jobs,no knives was our end and we just accepted it,showing there staff pathological conditions for them to rectify says it all,if it was my firm i would be asking why am i paying a fee when my staff are doing the work.common sense is a thing of the past why because us using common sense in our work would totally expose how we know more about our jobs tha the rule makers.risk based is if ten die out of ten thousand its an exeptable risk,science based is totally nonsense as one scientific view never is the same as another,money wasting fsa in all they do as for jobs now we are getting come on its because fsa and eho's dont want them,dairy inspection and shellfish says a lot about us,why arent we doing all the vets jobs are we not trained and have more experiance,now is that not a real cost saving no its another eu rule and dont dare say it must be obeyed look at head inspection we dont do it the way it states in legislation so if they can change that they could put us back in a job that was ours for years it worked well enough then but now we are not good enough,as soon as they arrive they are put on course left right and centre to be taught things that we as inspectors already know some to this day think a jacob sheep is a goat take my word on that i have witnessed it if everybody had guts to post there experiances with vets it would be a real eyeopener if fsa are logging in which would not surprise me in the least,there it dept is the biggest cheapest lot of crap on the market thats why its always off line getting sorted as many times,oldewe the amount of non meat background management that is involved in decision making that affect us is absurd you would have a mechanic telling a heart surgeon how to do his job so how is it feasible for this mob to even contemplate telling us how to do ours,bulling and harassment cmes to a head at times by the stupid rules they make us adhere to this is where common sense comes into play,the full scenario stinks of one big management disaster why so many again in charge of so few is not feasible in any other industry and someone needs to take a hard hard look at this they make up management positions for no apparent reason,and not needed if a bit of trust and recognition was shown to us one senior in every plant again team work if allowed in plant would save thousands a year and give us all back the respect we deserve in our day to day duties of protecting the public,food inspectors on tv where are we in all this maybe if public new our role it would give a better future for us.and i will end this by saying why dont you see any management positons given to foreign,agency or contractors??allways a threat to us but if us why not them is the all one fsa then another big lie

-- Edited by craigy boy on Saturday 17th of March 2012 09:13:47 PM

I concurr with old ewe on several points especially the best job in the meat industry, beleive it or not guys, a local authority Red Meat Inspector had massive respect from all concerned.

It has gone quiet, not been on for a while myself and i must say i was expecting to see more posts, looks like everyone has lost interest.